[0:01:16] Emily: welcome to the R. F. W. P. Where we are seeking truth and finding God’s heart. I’m your host Emily Lewis with my co

[0:01:23] Lois: host Lois Mcnair Hi guys, I am so excited to be here. But it kind of cracks while you were in bourbon Missouri recording

[0:01:38] Emily: a podcast. Yeah. And I can’t believe that we overcame so many obstacles to get here.

[0:01:47] Lois: Tell me when start. Okay. All right. So you guys, I have to work this week um and do some stuff and they scheduled it right on top of the meat. So I had to fly into ST louis last night. My plane didn’t get into like 11 15 And Emily drove like a wild woman to get artist. I’m telling you all like she’s like here watch see what like we went 0-95 in five seconds.

[0:02:20] Emily: She used to drive in the breaks. I hit the brakes after that slowed down.

[0:02:25] Lois: Okay. Then we stopped at a sketchy gas station. Got snacks because nobody was a

[0:02:29] Emily: romantic. Okay, listen that. So I’ve got

[0:02:32] Lois: cheap but we’re so excited. So we got here

[0:02:35] Emily: like 1 10,

[0:02:37] Lois: 1 15. It was 1 10. I don’t know. We, I didn’t text Nathan at one o’clock in the morning

[0:02:43] Emily: but I call Nathan at one o’clock in the morning

[0:02:46] Lois: sorry Carrie,

[0:02:49] Lois: that’s what? And he,

[0:02:52] Emily: the reason we called him as we were locked out. So we’re locked out of the gate. It was shut call Nathan. It seemed like a big ordeal because who has their phone on at 1:00. Well Nathan did but he didn’t have means to let us in and I said forget it, Nathan. We got this

[0:03:12] Lois: way. I literally crawled underneath the gate first. If I could get the thing to try to trip a trip through the gate. Wouldn’t know what, no. So click and I go, I see you but I ain’t opening the door for you. So

[0:03:28] Emily: we did not want to haul all our luggage. Uh so we pulled out the essentials park, the car, call ourselves under the fence. We did the gate.

[0:03:38] Lois: Yeah. And we find ourselves. We, we did And I learned from experience of having tried to get in there earlier that there’s a part of the game just in case this happens to you guys tonight. Don’t go like this. Yeah, don’t go on. It’s not a certain amount. So there’s a part of the pavement that goes down like this. So if there’s a need to roll, I just have to tell you that this side of the gate has more room that you can get under me because I tried to roll into this side and I got stuck halfway through. So I’m just, I’m surprised if we don’t make any of you guys up because literally we were cracking up and then I said to Emily is where’s where’s our room? She goes, that’s it right there where the light is, we get close to the light. She goes, well maybe it’s not there. Like that compounds the

[0:04:27] Lois: primitive

[0:04:28] Lois: canal. Yeah. So that was fun. We need it. We’re here. We did. So one of the things that we love to do and if you’ve been in the RFP fam, you’ve seen Melinda right, jump in there and and talk about micro Joyce. And so what we want to do for our open my community is we want to hear some of your micro Joyce. Do you know what a micro joy is? All right, Am I? Yes. No. Okay. So for example, my micro joy today was the fact that I got to breakfast and I don’t know what they call them in in Missouri but where I grew up originally in Chicago, we call them mulberries. I don’t know what they call them here.

[0:05:08] Lois: Black bear is yes,

[0:05:12] Lois: huge. Like Joshua and Caleb size blackberries this morning, which is awesome. So that was on Micro Joy from the promised land from bourbon, Missouri. Who blackberries and bourbon.

[0:05:25] Lois: Okay, sorry, I’m

[0:05:27] Lois: sorry. That’s the term split podcast. Okay, so what we want to do is to have an open mic minute and here’s the open mic.

[0:05:36] Emily: We have a pink microphone. Y’all

[0:05:38] Lois: Well, technically, yeah, it’s about the only thing pink that I do is the microphone, but there’s black on it. So it

[0:05:45] Emily: yeah. Okay. So who would love to come tell us. Um I rejoice that you have.

[0:05:52] Lois: I found chocolate covered espresso beans yesterday on

[0:05:55] Lois: our way up here and it made me so happy. Of course you’re the first one because you like probably had some this morning. You’re like, let me tell you about what I okay, somebody else? Micro Joy minute Micro Joy my micro joy is the four freedoms podcast

[0:06:12] Lois: session was really helpful

[0:06:14] Lois: to me. So I really appreciate that awesome. That’s cool. That’s a micro Joy that I think is gonna turn into a macro joy. You follow me there. You’re the only one that labs. So I guess we’re the weird ones. Anybody else? Micro Joy? I

[0:06:29] Emily: know this this time savvy but it’s true. I had

[0:06:32] Lois: to meet Lewis and Emily person. Yeah, we get to meet you. Thank you Amber,

[0:06:41] Lois: anybody else? Yes. Come person that I ran into in the bathroom accidentally. Sorry about that. Are you scarred?

[0:06:50] Lois: Okay this this is kind of a big joy for me but I was in Missouri and stop that affair and ran into someone from the earth. So that was awesome. That’s cool. We’re there.

[0:07:06] Lois: Anybody else might enjoy? Okay, y’all going once

[0:07:10] Emily: uh Any guys

[0:07:13] Lois: guys not just for ladies but okay, can I, can I give a copy out here? And I love Nathan brian and and what’s the other guys man, J. C. I love you guys but they presented it as a four women only podcast when they came out. They pitched it. But let me tell you, there’s a couple of guys that broke through the ice and I’m just gonna shout out to john and James because they jumped in hats on their podcast, even though they’re very first question to us for the women in theology question was why are not more women interested in theology? I said, let’s rephrase that question. Yes, I did. Just go there. We love you guys, anybody else but her joints. No guys guys do not guys have micro joys. No, it’s a man thing. Oh, I know what you guys, you’re just, you’re my favorite joy. Okay. So

[0:08:10] Brian: Whenever I got here last night, we got back to the room about 12:00. I was opening my bag up three little notes from all

[0:08:18] Lois: three of my kids made me laugh.

[0:08:24] Lois: That’s a, that’s a pretty cool micro joy. I love that kids. Okay, so without further ado, um we’ve been talking about this for a while. If you guys seen it in the RFP or if you’ve seen our instagram page, him or even follow us on twitter, another hint or on our facebook page. Um we’ve been talking about dad jokes and if you’ve ever listened to the repeat, I don’t know why she started this, but and then we started telling dad jokes exactly. It’s a bad thing. Well sometimes it is just going to say,

[0:09:00] Emily: where did this attitude come from?

[0:09:02] Lois: Like you’ve been my

[0:09:03] Lois: mother, you’ve been so excited about dad jokes

[0:09:08] Lois: until

[0:09:10] Emily: this week’s episode that aired today

[0:09:13] Lois: and you don’t share my dad jokes.

[0:09:15] Lois: Well your last one was pretty shady. So

[0:09:19] Lois: yeah. So what I did there right

[0:09:23] Lois: on that one. Okay, so we’ve been putting out there that we’re gonna have a dad face off. Dad, Dad joke face off without further ado. Ladies and gentlemen, the man who did not know what we were doing today even though he’s responded multiple times and said, I’m always ready right afterwards. I, okay, so just speaking to both of us. So brian, so Emily, will you explain open? Will you explain what’s going? I guess I need to take my vibe off because that would kind of be sacrilegious to do both at the same time.

[0:10:01] Lois: Everything everything, everything,

[0:10:05] Emily: everything is sacred.

[0:10:07] Lois: This is right. We don’t have sacred and secular. Everything. I felt like

[0:10:11] Brian: we need to go, I feel like we need to have like in the background,

[0:10:16] Lois: I agree. Oh, we can, we can fit that in there. Do

[0:10:21] Lois: you need to kick the dust off your boots?

[0:10:23] Brian: Oh no, this is, this is easy.

[0:10:25] Lois: Okay. All right. So here’s the thing though. We need a judge.

[0:10:35] Lois: We need a judge a C. So I’m gonna pull up J. C. Groves, Hey

[0:10:42] Lois: date if

[0:10:43] Brian: Nathan’s a judge will both have to

[0:10:45] Lois: win. So JC is going to be

[0:10:52] Lois: the judge and Emily is going to explain the rules brian.

[0:10:58] Lois: I think they

[0:10:59] Brian: already made you laugh once and I

[0:11:01] Lois: didn’t

[0:11:04] Emily: right now. Okay, so the rules are I tell a joke, he tells jokes and go back and forth? If you laughed, the other person gets a point? If you laugh at your own joke, the other person gets a point.

[0:11:18] Lois: But the audience can laugh all they want to. The eu was pointed at Emily brian.

[0:11:26] Emily: He’s gonna

[0:11:27] Lois: call him. He

[0:11:29] Emily: needs you to keep track of the points to.

[0:11:31] Lois: I don’t think I can multitask can do this.

[0:11:36] Emily: Okay, who’s going first?

[0:11:38] Brian: Well, first of all, I have to know if you even understand what makes a dad joke? Bad joke.

[0:11:44] Emily: It’s corny. Not funny.

[0:11:46] Lois: No, that makes people up anyway.

[0:11:49] Brian: No, it’s not a bad joke until it’s apparent. Mhm.

[0:11:52] Lois: So

[0:11:57] Brian: if you’re going to do

[0:11:59] Lois: if you’re going to do it that

[0:12:00] Brian: face off, then you have to

[0:12:02] Lois: know what that is. I have a bunch of jokes

[0:12:09] Emily: about unemployment but none of them work. He’s

[0:12:14] Brian: right. Yeah. So yeah this captain of a ship was he was obsessed with finding deserted islands. So they’ve been selling on the ocean for months. And finally one day he heard from the crow’s nest, deserted island ahead. So they were so excited. So they came up to the beach and when the ship washed up on the beach, this man and with a long beard and raggedy clothes came running down the beach and screaming. So excited the captain said I thought this was a deserted island, he said it is. I’m the only one here. I’m the only one that’s ever been here. He said, well then why are there three hugs? And the man said, well that’s easy to explain. He said the first house where I lived, The third of that’s where I go to church. And the captain said, well, what about the second hood? He said that’s where I used to go to church. Yeah,

[0:13:17] Lois: qualified. A 10.

[0:13:33] Brian: Section 20. They thought my parents,

[0:13:37] Lois: hey, that last one wasn’t technically a dad joke.

[0:13:41] Emily: It wasn’t too long. He was right. At least he lived up to

[0:13:44] Lois: his don’t tell that. Does this is true? Yeah. So mom, just

[0:13:53] Brian: to call that.

[0:13:54] Lois: Yes.

[0:13:56] Brian: Some people don’t know everything.

[0:13:59] Lois: Okay. Okay. That was just a fact. Not not Who’s there? Europe? You’re late.

[0:14:26] Brian: If you’re an american when you go in the bathroom and you’re in America when you come out of the bath, What are you while you’re in the

[0:14:32] Lois: bathroom? European?

[0:14:37] Emily: My uncle had to governments rolex and Timex.

[0:14:41] Lois: Watch dogs. Mhm.

[0:14:49] Brian: Why are elevator jokes? Always good please. They work on so many levels. I

[0:14:56] Lois: haven’t heard that punch. That’s good.

[0:15:03] Emily: Matthew McConaughey walks into a bakery Asks for three loaves of bread.

[0:15:11] Lois: They say what kind of money? He

[0:15:13] Emily: says, All right. All right. All

[0:15:15] Lois: right. Oh my God. You know, I got a little bit quicker in your neck.

[0:15:22] Brian: Okay. So. Spencer? Lady goes to the lady’s house had been married five times and all five of her husbands had died? She walks into the house and she sees the five turns up on the man. She said what is she? I can’t find the husband. You have them to burn. Okay.

[0:15:42] Lois: Okay, I’ll

[0:16:03] Emily: good. I thought that was it my turn. I thought

[0:16:08] Brian: you just finished left.

[0:16:16] Emily: I thought the dryer was drinking my clothes, turns out it was the refrigerator the whole

[0:16:21] Lois: time. Yeah.

[0:16:26] Brian: Uh huh. I heard about a guy who he finally got his mother in law moved out of the house. He went on a joyride. He took her to the airport and he would have taken her center but she was hooked up to a machine for life. It was a refrigerator.

[0:16:41] Emily: What? I’m just gonna move past that one?

[0:16:46] Lois: That was

[0:16:50] Emily: my brother in law was addicted to the book. It was a rough couple of years. You turned himself

[0:16:57] Lois: around.

[0:17:02] Brian: What do you call a pastor’s built

[0:17:06] Emily: the belt of truth.

[0:17:08] Brian: No leather fans around chicken graveyard.

[0:17:15] Lois: The the image, the image. No,

[0:17:21] Emily: I don’t know if I can say this without laughing Because I think I’m hilarious. What sound of 7:47 make when it bounces

[0:17:33] Lois: boing boing boi Yeah. What

[0:17:43] Brian: do you call a putty psychic? A fortune miller? Yeah,

[0:17:49] Lois: I want to go over my head and

[0:17:50] Lois: That’s the only one.

[0:17:55] Lois: Okay.

[0:17:59] Emily: How many more? But yeah. Okay, where does a rainbow go when it’s been bad prison. But don’t worry it’s a light

[0:18:08] Lois: sentence.

[0:18:12] Brian: How do you track will smith in the snow? You just follow the Fresh Prince. I

[0:18:19] Lois: actually get that dope. I think this is my last one.

[0:18:27] Emily: I am. Who cans of alphabet soup today?

[0:18:38] Lois: Yeah. Then I had the biggest about the biggest bowel movement ever.

[0:18:58] Brian: So what did the beach say to the ocean? Nothing can just wait. Yeah, just so you know, louis, I warned Emily that I’m just a stone faced person. So I will say this the vowel movement that was actually

[0:19:24] Lois: really good. I did. You

[0:19:31] Lois: were brave. Thank you are strong.

[0:19:35] Emily: Can you hard they

[0:19:36] Lois: lost.

[0:19:39] Lois: Yeah, it was a setup there. Yeah. So what are we talking

[0:19:44] Lois: about? Oh my goodness, I don’t even know how to follow up the dad joking. Yeah. So actually we’re going to talk about a dad today, that’s some relationships. So maybe maybe that’s the way we gotta stay away. Yeah. Or stay away

[0:20:04] Emily: guys. We love talking about the character of God and the reason that’s so important is everything that we do and how we relate to him flows from who we believe he is. If we believe that he is distant, harsh to be feared, primarily your relationship with God is going to reflect that and it’s going to be limited and it’s going to be in a box over here instead of a big and broad, as much an abundant as God wanted for you. So when we talked about Elroy, the God who sees and Hagar story, we really wanted to focus on the names of God on the R. F. W. P. And the next one that we’re going to talk about is Gira. And we’re gonna start just by reading it, go straight to the bible and the story of Abraham and Isaac and where this name comes about in

[0:21:03] Lois: genesis 22. Yeah. And the cool thing is um this story is read um in the jewish culture for those that are orthodox jew is read every jewish new year, every Rosh Hashanah. Do I say that right? You all thought I was speaking in tongues didn’t you? It’s red every year it’s called the binding. And I’m not sure if it’s pronounced some of you greek and hebrew guys can tell me or girls can tell me a cake. Akita or Akita is what it is called the binding because you know literally Abraham was asked to find his son. So I don’t know if you’ve got your rival with you and or your app or whatever or if you just want to listen. But I’m reading genesis 22 out of the E. S. P. So Joseph 22 after these things God tested Abraham and said to him Abraham, he said here I am, he said take your son your only son Isaac whom you love and go to the land of Mariah and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I shall tell you now. I just would love to hear how many of you either taught the bible study or have done a sermon on this passage. Have preached a sermon on this passage, anybody. Alright, awesome. So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey and took two of his young men with him and his son Isaac. And he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him. On the third day, Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place from afar. Then Abraham said to his young man, stay here with the donkey. I and the boy will go over there and worship and come again to you and Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son and he took in his hand the fire and the knife. And why did he have fire? Because the whole sacrifice was a burnt offering. It wasn’t just the death of Isaac, it was then the complete sacrifice, which as you know as a foreshadowing of the gift of the lamb of God, coming later, girl, you already preaching well, you know, I kind of have a blood. All right, so, And then Abraham said, I’m in verse six and Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, laid it on his son Isaac. He took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together. And Isaac said to his father, Abraham, my father, he said, here I am my son. He said, behold the fire and the wood. But where is the lamb for a burnt offering? Can we stop way through a second? Like, okay, I don’t know exactly the age of Isaac but I know that he had to at least be in his teens at this point and he’s going with his dad and then he says, where wait, where’s the sacrifice? Yeah. Um, and then the next statement is, if I can find my place, anybody have their body open and my first name and Abraham said, God will provide for himself the lamb for a burnt offering my son. So they went both of them together. God will provide. That is when God’s name Abraham, that’s the first time he mentions God will provide. And then later in the, in the chapter, hey says the Lord will provide will call this place joe Aguirre. Yeah, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna keep reading. I think we know the rest of the story, let’s read first. Um 13 and 14 vs 13 and 14 and abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, Wait, let’s back up to 12. He said um, do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him for now I know that you fear God fear not in I’m afraid. Which has been a narrative that’s been taught for years in legalistic environments that you’re so afraid of God you’re expecting, I don’t know if it was this way for anybody else. But growing up I was expecting him to hit me in the head every time I made a mistake that he was always mad at me if I messed up. And just the shame and the guilt that piles on it for that, he said that that fear is is more of an awe. And um I heard tim color mentioned this the other day. He worded it so beautifully and I can’t repeat it. But it’s just, it’s just a completely different concept. He says, seeing you have not withheld your son your only son for me. Mhm Did you get it? It was a wasp that’s not cool. Um so Abraham let me back up and now I got all squirrel. Okay. And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked and behold behind him was a ram caught in the thicket by his thorns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son. So Abraham called the name of the place the Lord will provide as it is said to this day on the mount of the Lord. It shall be provided. Mm

[0:26:52] Emily: wow. And then just thinking about two, that’s where that’s calvary where God will provide. There’s so much there. So the word Gira being provisions. I think sometimes I think God will provide for us. But God provided himself and so he is what is enough, it’s not what he will provide is enough and he because but he will because he’s a good father, what he provides will be enough, but he is enough and we like to, we don’t like to wrap things up in a bow you know on the R. F. W. P. Because there’s a lot of tripe thing, don’t try not the right word,

[0:27:35] Lois: but not everybody’s story is wrapped up yet not everybody’s story is complete there still healing. They’re still walking there, still waiting for

[0:27:44] Emily: word. So when you say jesus is enough, what does that actually mean? So practically what does it mean that God isn’t enough for you?

[0:27:57] Lois: Um so years ago I would have just given you the whole sunday school story, you know the whole sunday school answer, you know God just does everything like he’s everything to me and you know the other day and just I would just rattle off this stuff at this point in my life as I am just learning more and more about who he truly is? I would have to sit back and go man, I need a minute because like how do you adequately describe that he is enough? How do you adequately describe that in your situation? Mhm. I think everybody’s been through different things right and so if there are different points in our lives where we realize in that moment God really proved that he is enough. But do we walk in that daily. So I would say for me, it’s still a journey of walking in that daily of him, not him being enough because he is enough. He is who he is by realizing that he is enough. And my taking my fist and opening it up and say, okay, I’m letting go. You’re enough. Here we go. Right? Because that’s a trust major trust. Mm hmm,

[0:29:19] Emily: yep. When we are trying to control the outcome, I think we do this a lot even in fearing God. Where And I know JD group has talked about this, but where we we obey God because of the outcome. And in legalism, it’s we’re still far away from a surrender. Um, because we’re trying to control him by following the rules and keep him off our

[0:29:46] Lois: back because that’s how you get approved of right? Where your approval comes from trying to show up for every service. If you wear the right clothes, if you say the right things, if you sacrifice everything for whatever is considered, you know, the church, right? That’s where your approval comes from. Is anybody. Does that connect with anybody? You know? And we heard the guy safer forever. And I love this statement. You know, we’re not working, we’re not serving, we’re not doing things for approval. We love him. We’re serving him. We’re walking and want to obey him because he’s already approved of us. We’re not trying to perform. We’re moving from a place of acceptance. Right?

[0:30:33] Emily: So I love that you said something about taking a minute with that answer because it’s not just like, oh, he’s enough. How is he providing it enough? And it’s not a striving like, oh yeah, I’m accepted. Its everyday preaching the gospel over yourself over and over and over again. Get people around you that will preach the gospel to you and over you and remind you of grace uh, and sitting in that. So if you, I’ll just go back to it over and over again and I think I’ve said it a ton of times, but I want to repeat it, taking that time to be still taking that time to sit down and let your heart be in all of who God is and making that space in that margin. Not that we are seeking an experience with him, but that we’re spending time with him and letting him change your hearts.

[0:31:30] Lois: You know, you just mentioned the word experience and I probably won’t quote this correctly, but I heard a quote not too long ago. Well I say not too long ago, probably 10 years ago. Um, you know, the other day and um, basically we are not, um, we are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings walking a human a human experience so good. But because of God’s grace because you know, we’ve been saved and we have accepted him and we’re allowing him to sanctify our lives by the holy spirit then then we’re spiritual beings walking that walking the human experience. But back to the back to the trust thing. Yeah. How many of you struggle with trust? Like honestly, because once trust has been broken, or once trust has been like john and James and brian said earlier, once things have been manipulated, then you’re in a position I don’t know who to trust, Who do I trust. I thought this was true. Wait, maybe this isn’t truth. Maybe this is truth. And we had a conversation with somebody at lunch about deconstructing our faith and and deconstructing. It’s a bad rap and we talked about this on our podcast, but when it’s done in a way of trying to take off all the accidental pharisee stuff and just see God for who God is and not anything at it, right? That’s a healthy way to to do that. But the trust factor comes here Abraham trust God, you know, and we even here in the Hall of Faith in Hebrews chapter 11, starting in verse 17 by faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac and he who had received promises was in the act of offering up his only son of whom it was said. So you’ve got the writer of Hebrews, which I know everybody still arguing about who wrote it. So I’m just gonna say the writer of Hebrews um who do you think road Hebrews paul verse anywhere. Reading glasses brian kind of barriers. Um verse 18 I just said Verse 18 of whom it was said through Isaac shall your offspring be named. He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead from which figuratively speaking, he did receive him back. So I look at that and Abraham wasn’t just like all of a sudden one day, God says, hey, the son that I promised you, I promised you were going to be the father of nations. I need you to take that dude, I need you to go up and I need you to sacrifice him. And we don’t know what Abraham’s feelings were completely I mean scripture does not give us you know that Abraham was struggling that he was sitting in his tent going God, you really want me to do this like we do with jesus in the garden. He’s saying let this cup pass from me. But if not let your will be done. Uh huh. We don’t know really about that struggling, right? We do know that he is quoted in Hebrews about his faith. Where did that faith come from? Because we all have faith, Right? But where does that faith come from? Faith? And trust go hand in hand. Why could Abraham trust God in that moment that he was going to provide.

[0:35:26] Emily: Well it wasn’t just wasn’t that easy thing, but he believed that promise. So his his faith had something to believe in.

[0:35:32] Lois: Okay, so back up tell me again the promise,

[0:35:35] Emily: the promise was that Abraham that Isaac would be, that is the promised seed. That would be uh you know, so many Children is the stars in the sky and sand on the shores. And so Abraham had that promise

[0:35:54] Lois: to be the father of the nation’s.

[0:35:56] Emily: Yeah, to trust God. So it wasn’t, it wasn’t like we hear faith weaponized. Well you just need to have a little more faith or trust God. It wasn’t

[0:36:07] Lois: well, you know why that’s not happening because you just trusting God enough, you know why your family’s eating peanut butter and jelly while you’re on deputation, you’re just not trusting God enough. I’m sorry I went there because we don’t take good enough care of our missionaries. Okay, I’m just gonna say that’s a side note, Tons of missionaries in my family. I’m my mom is the oldest of 10. A lot of them were missionaries in other countries, trans World Radio and so many others and And our church would boast that we had 500 missionaries. I know this is totally a side thing, but if you’re a missionary or you grew up in michigan, somebody told you, well the reason that this happened is because you just didn’t have enough faith for God to keep you on the man. I hope that narrative has been blown wide open in your life and you know that that is not true and that your kids or whomever has healed from that, but I was talking to one of my aunts Who was a missionary in England and I said well you know our church, our church has 500 missionaries a kid. You know, I didn’t know her missionaries um and she and I said and you are one of those, she goes yeah For $15 a month. So are we really providing? Well that’s not who our God is, right, sorry, I totally got enough rabbit trail but

[0:37:32] Emily: handed Yeah,

[0:37:34] Lois: so just the providing and the trust and who he is. Can

[0:37:38] Emily: you talk about the other meaning of Jack of Gira? So another way to word that is the God who will see to it and it’s so closely tied to Hagar saying God you are the one who sees me. God will see it through to its not being seen and known is so healing and powerful, but he will also see it through and that’s where he provides and

[0:38:07] Lois: comes through on it, right? And and so one of the, one of the commentaries that I read talks about that that Abraham didn’t just trust God in the moment that he would provide, but he was able to trust God from what he knew of God’s nature, what he knew of God’s character because he knew God’s character and new God’s nature was a provider was the God who sees then he knew God’s already promised me that we will have a nation through my Children. And so even if I stepped in and I do this and I have to let my son go, Mhm. God’s gonna raise him up because he promised me so he will see to it. He doesn’t go back on who he is. And I think one of the things that we we miss, because I heard somebody recently in the RFP in the family facebook page struggling with understanding what it means to really love God and for God to really love them. And I get that, y’all I grew up with thinking God had a hammer in his hand and he was authoritarian. And it wasn’t until I was in my mid thirties that I was just like, man, you love me. Like you really love me every little piece of you, every bit of me, you love the good that they have the ugly, you know what I’ve done, You know what I’m gonna do and you love me unconditionally and I don’t ever want to get over that. And so, my my prayer for you is that in those moments where you’re like, your weight, you’re asking me to trust God and and we can say very quickly and very easily, oh, I trust God. You know, I trust God. And then there’s this internal conversation, we’re still trying to figure out and fix whatever it is that we’re trusting him about, we’re still hanging on. And it’s just like when we the song that I love, even when I can’t see it, he’s working. Even when I don’t feel it, he’s working, he never stops working. And if we can and I know I’m using christians and stuff on it. But if we can sit in that like you and I say a lot, that’s so good. If we can sit in that and just be still and go, it’s not my striving. It’s not my pushing man. If I just had the faith of Abraham, you guys, Abraham’s faith came from the fact that even when the craziness of the request was there, he knew God’s character, He knew who God was. So even when we’re not feeling like we have the faith or the trust to move forward, we can trust in who he is. God. I know you’re good. This doesn’t feel good right now. In fact, this this sucks. But I know you’re good. So I know you’re gonna see this right through this. Yeah, that’s where he becomes Jehovah Gira.

[0:41:14] Emily: Yes. Uh there’s a Tony Evans quote, satan lied and told you God is holding out on you. It’s the biggest live, he tries to tell God’s people. So I think for me, there are a couple of things I can think of that I haven’t that I’m like, maybe okay can okay, you know, and it’s because I’m not sure that what God’s plans are better than mine, are they really do. I believe that, because if I believe that. Got it. Got it, I’ll give it up, I will stop this and I will wait for whatever promises you have, letting that go. And since we’re already on trust, if God doesn’t feel trustworthy because christians or someone representing God or it feels like God let you down, you are

[0:42:09] Lois: not alone

[0:42:11] Emily: learning how to trust again, it’s okay to say, you know, are you sure you got this guy? Because it doesn’t, I don’t, I don’t feel like you got it and he is trustworthy and we can start testing that little okay, you got it and let him go. Yeah,

[0:42:33] Lois: because there’s been in one of our um, you know, one of the things that we say a lot on the podcast is this is another untwist ng of the narrative, There’s been a narrative that’s been perpetuated in a lot of our lives over the years, whether you’ve been, whether you’re whether you’re still in a legalistic environment or you’ve been out of a legalistic environment for years or if you traded one form of legalism to another form of legalism, um we have to be in the word for ourselves and and the guy said earlier, like, when we’re in the word for ourselves, when we’re reading God’s word when we’re just sitting, I don’t know, maybe you’re at a point like, I was several years ago where I felt so betrayed in the church. There was such heavy church hurt that like I am going to open up my bible. Well, I’m not allowed to not open up. My bible was one of the pastors wives was a bible study leader. I was, you know, Yeah, I didn’t want to open up a bible because the person that I was looking to within the church who was the leader, rise and fall of mars Hill much the leader, some of you will get that hurt, betrayed. And so what do we do? We take our eyes off God and we put our eyes on a leader that seems to be getting it right and we start following their approval and what they think instead of God. So I connected those two unfortunately. And I want to read my bible. God knows that was he angry with me. No, it wasn’t. I

[0:44:18] Emily: appreciate you saying that. Because I think the more you say it, I’m not saying that you read your bible. But if if there’s like you had another season where you could only read someone

[0:44:29] Lois: 39 Yeah, that was like, that was the back to back. Like I couldn’t open up a bible. And then when I was finally able to open up a bible, the only thing I could read with someone 39 you want to talk about someone 39 And the fact that there’s 78 personal pronouns in there and also many and that the word known means Yoda means the most intimate knowledge. We can talk all day long. But that’s when the lord brought me back to I am trustworthy.

[0:44:56] Emily: And I think part of the reason the bible gets so hard to read sometimes is because we have that condemnation lens on every time you turn the page, you’re like awful, which we were not. We are

[0:45:11] Lois: right. Isn’t that the KJ do you work for it? Which we are? But because of what he’s done in his sacrifice, But it’s not a pill makes

[0:45:18] Emily: us right. So every page feels like a guilt trip and having to untwist that narrative and intentionally put on a new lens put on race when you’re reading the bible because it is all the Gospel. Yeah. And that’s not that’s not watering

[0:45:33] Lois: it down. Yeah. The Gospel is not just the Gospel is the good news, right? But it’s not just for salvation. It’s the Gospel is for every aspect of our lives. The gospel is for our choice in our spouse. The gospel is for when I’m a single mom trying to raise kids by myself and God is shining his life through me. The gospel is the Gospel is everything. And so many people miss that. But I have to have to read this passage because you said the condemnation word, guys, I will tell you this and you probably already know this. But I just have to tell you one more time when you’re in the middle of a situation when there’s something on your heart, when you are burdened. If you feel like there is no way out, that is not conviction of the holy spirit. That is not because the way of escape, he will make a way of escape if you’re feeling like there’s no way out if you’re feeling like and you feel this heavy shame and all of this, I understand that there’s there’s healthy sorrow in our sin. But I’m talking about shame and shame is from the enemy. Shame is not from christ Shane came on when when the serpent came to the garden and we don’t have time to go all the way back there. But the condemnation, that is the enemy totally when you don’t feel when there’s not that remembrance of who God is in your life, that’s the enemy. And I’m telling you unfortunately we hear a lot of that from the pulpit. Well read Ephesians 289 for by grace. Are you saved through faith and not of ourselves? It is a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast and what do we focus on or what have we heard? Focused on? See there, it’s not worth it not works. It’s great to see the Catholics are wrong. Wait, where did we just skip with the greatest part and what all that means to me. Okay, so sorry, I’m getting on a tangent romans 12 1 or two. I appeal to you. Therefore, brothers by the mercies of God to present your bodies as a living sacrifice. Holy acceptable to God. Which is your spiritual worship. That’s what Abraham was doing in this moment. It was spiritual worship, his sacrifice, his obedience to the father because he knew the father’s character, not because he was afraid that if he didn’t do it, God was gonna smiling mm He followed him because of God’s character. Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind. That by testing, you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect and the bible says there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in christ

[0:48:20] Emily: uhh that sounds like a tall order living sacrifice. As I remember as a teenager and thinking about faith and trusting God. And I was like, it was like this big giant thing.

[0:48:34] Lois: Well because it’s intangible. And do you know the song? I like tangible. Oh my gosh, old southern. Yes,

[0:48:41] Emily: yes. Okay, so I remember hearing that my

[0:48:44] Lois: faith, I’m living by faith

[0:48:47] Lois: in jesus alone, in jesus alone, trusting, trusting, combining and

[0:48:57] Lois: it’s great. Yes, I sat under western roll off. Many

[0:49:03] Lois: say it is sheltering. I’m I’m living by faith and you know, alarm you guys. Those are beautiful,

[0:49:13] Lois: beautiful words. So what happened was twisted.

[0:49:16] Emily: I heard it and I went,

[0:49:18] Lois: oh this is a happy song. Like trusting God is a it’s like it can be exciting, it’s not like

[0:49:26] Emily: a drudgery. Like if I trust God, all hell’s gonna, I don’t know how to use that word, but it’s true and it’s gonna be like this spiritual battle is gonna be horrible because I was stepped out there and I’m trusting out with this and instead of like you hear missionary stories and not that God doesn’t, we

[0:49:47] Lois: love the missionaries were not picking them just because we mentioned it twice.

[0:49:52] Lois: Yeah, I mentioned it twice,

[0:49:54] Emily: but you hear stories of missionaries that would trust God and they were supposed to be encouraging stories of how people got through. But in my brain translated if you trust God likes to be hard and so

[0:50:08] Lois: where does living life abundantly come from then? If everything, I mean obviously life is not easy, but you know there is joy. Did anybody like learn about joy other than the jesus and others? And you song like were you was joy something that was like, you can have joy in jesus and it and it doesn’t just mean the sunday morning mask that you wear when you walk in. Amen. You know there’s a true joy, they’re entrusting him doesn’t always feel good, trust me, doesn’t trust me. I

[0:50:41] Lois: know

[0:50:42] Emily: right? So I’m not saying it’s easy, but it doesn’t have to be like this,

[0:50:47] Lois: right? Because he will always provide, he will always provide and sometimes we have to speak the gospel over ourselves and when we’re in the moment where we have no idea whether or not we feel like he’s going to provide, we have to say God, I know you’re good. I know you’re going to provide. I don’t know what this is gonna look like when we’re done, but I know you’re good. I know you’re gonna provide some of you know that just in the last two weeks our lives got turned upside down once again, like the last 3.5 years wasn’t enough. And I got a phone call from our oldest son, Micah, he and my daughter in law Haley lived in national and they’re part of a multi ethnic church plant there and they have 28 weeks into pregnancy and he’s like, hey, we just went to the doctor and they’re sending his to Vandy University of manifold hospitals there. I’m like, okay, said, well Hayley’s blood pressure is really high and without going into all the things, this was thursday, Haley’s mom started driving up from where they live within a few hours. I caught a plane the next morning by saturday evening, Haley had an emergency C section because her pre eclampsia hurry. Clancy had gotten to the point where it was dangerous for she and the baby and in that moment, you know, after you get away from the numbers and you’re sitting there, you’re like, I know that my kids want kids so badly. I don’t want you to take her, You know, I don’t want you to take this new beautiful little life Marlowe, I certainly don’t want to lose Haley, but in that moment sure didn’t feel like it and I’m not I’m not sitting here saying like I have all the answers because I have tons more questions. I didn’t answers, but in that moment I did have a piece and I know it’s because a lot of people were praying specifically for peace of mind, but I had piece that you’ve got this, I can’t say that about every experience that I’ve walked through, you know, when bobby and I got fired from the church by the person that I pretty sure that chuck d grow when he wrote when Narcissism comes to church used him as an example. But um you know, I wasn’t like God, I know you’ve got this, I was like what in the is going on? You know,

[0:53:23] Emily: So when you were saying it’s a Gospel, the first, the first piece of Gospel is that it’s not about us, we are not enough, it’s not our job to do it. It’s not our job to complete it. And that’s that’s the beauty and the power in it is when we say God you are enough, it’s not okay. I made it so far now, can you take over because I only got to hear, can you get me

[0:53:48] Lois: all the way? The rest right here? Let me pass the baton because you are the fourth man. Can you realize

[0:53:54] Emily: this? When I started, you know, he started it and he finishes it, which is why we can trust him is the if we are not it. Mhm. He’s a and he’s uh we are not enough which is the gospel. So he will do it and he has provided a way and we believe that and we trust that and

[0:54:20] Lois: I know how many of you would just be really honest and you know, I probably asked this earlier but now that we’re this far into the episode like let’s say within the the last five years, your trust for someone or for an institution or for whatever has been busted wide open. Yeah. So where do we go from there? Is it hard to trust? Absolutely. Um when bobby and I were going through some marital issues early on, within the 1st 56 years of marriage, our counselor sat across and and and said, I know you you guys are struggling with trust. It is not something and I’ll never forget this. It is not something that you can will yourself to do again. Mhm. It takes time. So what do we do in the meantime we have to remember that God is who he says he is, that he is, Jehovah jara that he is Hagar we did that episode. Like she’s the first one who gave God a name in scripture. Elroy the God who sees you see me, you see me. And sometimes I think we feel very unseen by the father because we like, do you know what’s going on? Do you know what we’re walking through? Do you know the questions that I have? So I think in the middle of that, um we just have to be reminded of what we know is true in scripture and the only way that we’re gonna know what’s true in scripture, if we, if we allow his words to speak to us and we say, hey, I’ve been listening to your scripture for 20 years, but it got twisted in a lot of ways and I want to be able to trust, you want to be able to trust the father for who you are. So, I think a lot of our, our struggle with loving him and understanding how much he loves us is because we don’t really know who he is. The narrative of who he is has been spoken in a condemning way or whatever, anybody with me on that. Like you get that. And um, but Abraham didn’t just up and one day trust him, he clung to the promise that God was going to follow through on who he was.

[0:56:51] Emily: So back running back to the gospel real quick finish that thought, the song Gira by university, It says you’re already loved. I’m already

[0:57:02] Lois: chosen way back up. Please say that again.

[0:57:06] Emily: I’m already loved. I’m already chosen and that means you’re not working for it. You’re not earning it. It’s not on your shoulders. Please let that weight just like go drop it like a hot rock.

[0:57:20] Lois: Because he says he’s already declared that over a seven a.m. And 3 17

[0:57:25] Emily: and once you have declared over us is enough. Yeah. And we can believe that that is the process that you can believe. You can hold when you know capital. I really want to let this and go and that was that’s practical. I think it is that you’re not earning it right, right. Read Galatians 5 6 young uh huh For in christ jesus. Neither circumcision nor uncircumcised. Asian accomplishes anything. What matters. Is faith working through love, Your faith works through love. Mhm And I know we say we’re talking about the love battle over and over and over again. But when we put that into perspective, that’s what motivates us to believe it’s because you know, you are so loved. It’s back to that security when you know how secure and held you are That you can trust it right? And I love collisions by six.

[0:58:26] Lois: So I’ve already alluded to some of this article but I found this article when I was looking a superficial reading of the story of the binding the passage of Abraham and Isaac may leave the reader with an ugly sense that God led Abraham on an emotional wild goose chase, Abraham went to an undisclosed location to sacrifice his son only to have God stopped him at the last moment. Then Abraham saw ram caught in the thorny bushes sacrificed and called the place Jehovah jara. The Lord will provide. Why would God treat them like this? Why would he say, hey go sacrifice your son. Oh, like just kidding. Yeah. But that interpretation reveals more about the reader than it does about the text or God himself. How many of us have sat and heard that passes of passage of scripture and understood it differently because of how it was being portrayed or how we received it. That says more about the reader than it does about who God is one of the crucial details missing in that reading is the trust displayed by both Abraham and Isaac scripture doesn’t tell many details about the private thoughts and feelings of Abraham or Isaac in this story. And already read hebrews chapter 11 verses 17 through 19, we are told that Abraham knew God’s character and power enough to trust that if God took Isaac at that moment because of all of God’s other promises about Isaac. Abraham knew God would fulfill his word. Even if he had to raise Isaac from the dead. Abraham was doing this difficult task with assurance in his heart that God would provide. That’s good. I think what we think of provisions, we think of financial provisions and other other things. Physical. Yeah. When Abraham calls God Jehovah jarrahi isn’t just saying God gives the goods. He is saying you see experience all this need of mine and you’re going to make provision for it. And that’s what the article says deeply personal.

[1:00:38] Emily: What you do is your responsibility. So when you say rest in christ like what is that? Actually? What you do is your responsibility? Your wife is your responsibility. But the how is God? So it’s your job to essentially to bring your basket To bring your five loaves and two fishes and recognize that you do have a contribution. You know it’s not like he’s going to use you and just move through without being willing, bringing your basket, bring those five loaves and two fishes and let God work and let God do it and surrender those you might take out this is so little or this little thing really. I I need to release this too. Bring that five loaves and two fishes. That’s your responsibility and God’s responsibilities, how he does it and how he works and what he does with five loaves and two fishes and then you can see he’s trustworthy. Yeah by how he multiplies it and uses it