[0:00:00] Lois: Hey guys and welcome to this episode of the R. F. W. P. Where we are seeking truth and finally God’s heart. My name is Lois and my co host is

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[0:00:29] Lois: Yes. I love the fact that we have our Youtube channel up now. It’s exciting to me. I don’t feel more connected.

[0:00:39] Emily: Yeah, absolutely. So fun. And before we get into today’s show I can actually show you our sponsor and not just tell you about it. How cool is that? That’s cool. So are sponsored for today’s show is scripture flips. And scripture flips are a handy, cute way to keep the bible on you all the time. They took this one all the way to Missouri with me, it went to the meet up um attached it to my backpack and so you can take them with you so easily. And when you have a minute you can script flip through your scripture flip. And for our F. W. P listeners go to scripture flips dot com and when you check out, enter our F. W. P. 20 for 20% off of your order. If you’re one of those people who uh likes to get their christmas shopping done earlier. Like my sister. Uh you should just go load up on these

[0:01:45] Lois: weight girlfriend. It’s not even the end of september. What are seriously,

[0:01:54] Emily: uh my sister has been hounding me for a month and a half. What do you want for christmas? What do you want for christmas? How about this for christmas? Like,

[0:02:02] Lois: I don’t know, it’s july Oh no, is your sister one of those people that has all of their shopping done before the end of october or the or before thanksgiving

[0:02:22] Emily: every once in a while, she’ll save something for black friday. But like that’s the cut off.

[0:02:28] Lois: Just so funny, those people are amazing to me. So your sister is amazing. That will never be me, but your sister is amazing. I think

[0:02:43] Emily: one year I tried to compete because competitive over here, I tried to be like, not you, I wanna get done at the same time as her. Like never mind, this is not me. Who am I trying to be?

[0:02:57] Lois: Remember last week we talked on our episode to be who you are. Don’t be your successor. No,

[0:03:05] Emily: I’m just gonna be me and I will do my shopping in december. Thank you very much.

[0:03:11] Lois: Yes, yes, good idea. Speaking of being yourself,

[0:03:17] Emily: Yeah,

[0:03:19] Lois: we’re gonna get to hear some really cool things here in a minute but before about people being themselves, but before we get there, I want to know if you have a micro joy,

[0:03:29] Emily: I do have a micro joy, I was going to say something else but truly my micro micro joy is this microphone setup that I have

[0:03:39] Lois: just makes me

[0:03:40] Emily: Happy. It is, it is 9:30 PM. So maybe that’s contributing and I’m on brain overload. But like my microphone, the way it pivots way we haven’t set up.

[0:03:52] Lois: Speaking way it squeeze, it’s making me a

[0:03:57] Emily: smile. So,

[0:03:58] Lois: so your microphone is your micro joy.

[0:04:01] Emily: Exactly

[0:04:03] Lois: yeah. If you were trying to do a dad joke, I would say that’s a fail, but it’s not a dad joke. It’s

[0:04:10] Emily: you you said that not me.

[0:04:12] Lois: That’s true, That’s true.

[0:04:14] Emily: So what’s your micro joy?

[0:04:18] Lois: My micro joy man. I had several this past week, but my micro joy honestly leads us this is gonna sound really silly, but my micro joy leads us into our next segment of the open mic minute. So my micro joy is that last week when we asked um people to give us an open mic minute on being your true self and something that um, God created you this way. And you haven’t necessarily been thankful for it before, but you know, and maybe you were thankful for it before. But anyway, so I popped it out there today on social media because at that point we’ve only gotten like one um, open mic minute. So I was very, very vulnerable, vulnerable. I can’t talk this late. I was pretty vulnerable. Um, and said uh that one of the things that I haven’t really liked about myself and I’m constantly like doing this and jazz is because my right eyelid droops, you know? And so you can see me in pictures and I’m like so anyway I was being very very vulnerable about that. But honestly this is a long way around the block for my micro joy. But my micro joy happened when I realized this week when it just hit me like, you know. Yeah, I wouldn’t mind if I looked a little bit more open but I get that characteristic that D. N. A. That genetics comes from my daddy And I lost my dad three years ago this week. And so it was just a micro joy that I finally went every time I see that I think of my dad. I know that sounds crazy but but that’s my micro joy. So I had gotten on the on our instagram today and on our facebook and just gave an example of what an open mic minute could be. So that was a long way around the block. But anyway, so my micro joy is that I’m thankful for my droopy eyelid because it reminds me of my dad, but also that um leads into our open mic minute, which I’m super stoked about.

[0:07:01] Emily: It’s so fun. So the prompt I gave was what is something that you love about how God has created you, something you’re thankful for about yourself. So are you ready just going to let these cool

[0:07:14] Lois: so you’re going to play those into the microphone.

[0:07:17] Emily: Yes, I micro

[0:07:19] Lois: joy microphone

[0:07:22] Emily: Alright here we go. This first one is from Hannah. Okay.

[0:07:28] spk_2: Um so something about me that I love God has made about me. Um I seem to have this thing around me that makes people open up in a sense, it’s always kind of confused me because I personally am a very private person who tends to land on definitely the more introverted side. So I don’t know if it’s like something about my personality or away, I seem to present myself that makes people feel they can talk to me. Um it’s just kind of crazy how it happens because it’ll be at the most random moments with people. Um really not even that close to or even strangers sometimes. Um I’ve even had friends comment on how it’s funny or strange that random people just start telling me their stories or their troubles and I never understood why because I’m young and I don’t have that much advice to give beyond things that are spiritual or christ oriented. I realized that people just need someone sometimes and maybe the gift of a listening ear is what God gave me to give others.

[0:08:46] Lois: I love that it’s not fun even though she’s an introvert, people are drawn to her and and share her story and and I love that she loves that about how God wired her. That’s cool. All right,

[0:09:02] Emily: so this is brandy,

[0:09:04] spk_3: I am thankful that I am not overly girly, I was always fond of, I would go hunting with my dad and I would be outside playing tag and stuff with the boys. Why? Right. Other girlfriends, like they would play with their baby dolls and all that. But people are always like, oh, you should try to be more brutally, you should try to be more feminine and but I am thankful for that because I got to spend a lot of time with my dad hunting and then to my husband um likes the fact that I am not very girly, like he was not attracted to very overly somebody who spends, you know, forever on their makeup and shopping all the time. So I’m thankful because I know that he appreciates that and we were meant to be and if I was different like that, I wouldn’t have found him that way.

[0:10:04] Lois: I love that.

[0:10:05] Emily: So fun. I was

[0:10:06] Lois: such a tomboy to

[0:10:07] spk_6: hello. I think probably the thing that first comes to mind is my curly hair. Um I did not like it when I was younger for a whole slew of reasons. Um I always wanted to be straight because it was easier to take care of to the standards that were pushed on me, but I really like having it super girly. So I think I have to go with that.

[0:10:34] Lois: I love that. I’ve always wanted curly hair.

[0:10:39] Emily: Be thankful with your hair. Okay, this is from Krista,

[0:10:44] spk_3: I’m thankful for the

[0:10:48] spk_2: genetic health issue that I had

[0:10:50] spk_3: that caused my health too crash because in dealing with that I’ve come to learn more deeply God’s acceptance and love for me.

[0:11:04] Lois: Mm wow. Yeah that’s a tough one.

[0:11:11] Emily: Yeah. Okay. This one’s from Renee.

[0:11:15] spk_4: I’ve never been very athletic but I discovered in my mid twenties that I’m very good at yoga, I’m very flexible. The balancing comes pretty easily and it’s been really exciting for me because I’ve never had something that I tried the first time and was good at. But now I’m a yoga instructor and I tell people all the time

[0:11:37] spk_8: like God gave

[0:11:39] spk_4: me a gift to be able to do yoga and it relaxes me and I enjoy it and it keeps me healthy.

[0:11:46] Lois: Hello. That’s cool. We should try yoga online sometime.

[0:11:49] Emily: Like okay this one is from Kimberly

[0:11:58] spk_8: as a teenager. I was always self conscious of my teeth because when I smiled um I had an overbite and they would, my upper teeth would stick out. But my smile is the very thing that I got the most compliments about

[0:12:16] spk_4: as an adult. I

[0:12:17] spk_8: got braces to correct it but I had several people asked me why I got braces because they didn’t think I needed them. They liked my smile just the

[0:12:28] Lois: way it was. Elf says I like smiling. Smiling is my favorite from the movie. Elf. Another movie reference I

[0:12:41] Emily: have seen Elf.

[0:12:42] Lois: You’ve seen Elf. I have. Okay, okay it’s redeemed

[0:12:49] Emily: The next two are from Ashley and Daniel.

[0:12:52] spk_5: Hey guys this is Daniel and yes guys do listen to the R. F. W. P. One thing that I always felt uh sort of bad about when I was younger and I always thought it was cynicism was my constant questioning spirit and wondering why why we do this and why we do that and a lot of times I felt like a rebel but as I got older um that one thing that God built into me is what eventually led me out of legalism. Thank

[0:13:23] spk_7: you. Well this is Ashley. One of the things that I’m thankful for that I used to not be thankful for is the fact that I have naturally curly hair growing up. Um I just always had a big poof ball and I hated it because all my friends had the pretty straight hair and I was just so different but

[0:13:44] spk_4: as I’ve gotten older

[0:13:46] spk_7: I’ve learned to appreciate it and you know curly hair runs in my family and I appreciate the fact that

[0:13:52] spk_4: God gave me some

[0:13:53] spk_7: crazy curly hair, have a good day.

[0:13:57] Lois: I love that

[0:14:00] Emily: This one is Melinda.

[0:14:04] spk_4: Okay so I’m grateful for God closing the doors on what I had expected to be normal life experiences and dreams because when I let go of that he opened the way for me to learn american sign language

[0:14:19] Lois: and then

[0:14:20] spk_4: he led me to my husband and now we have two Children with progressive hearing loss who will never have to fear isolation from their family.

[0:14:29] Lois: So I am

[0:14:31] spk_4: grateful that at a time I thought my life was ruined. He was actually

[0:14:37] Lois: making it. That’s amazing, wow, that’s amazing. At some point I want to hear more of Melinda’s story I’ve heard bits and pieces but that is amazing. Is that the last 1? Or do we have more?

[0:14:54] Emily: We have at least two

[0:14:55] Lois: more. This is fun. Okay so if you’re watching, I hope that you’re like loving hearing this and that you are being affirmed and whatever it is that you have not liked about yourself or didn’t like a situation and and I hope that hearing others is encouraging you to go okay, you know maybe that maybe that is something that he did in me purposefully so

[0:15:24] Emily: right, okay, this is bree

[0:15:27] spk_3: hey guys! So one thing that I was always self conscious about growing up was the way that I laugh because when I really get going I tend to snort so uh I was always self conscious about it but now that I’m a little older, I’ve grown to appreciate it and uh sometimes my laugh makes other people laugh even if they have no idea what I’m laughing

[0:15:51] Lois: about, so it’s just fun now, so it’s something that I’ve gotten

[0:15:56] spk_3: used to and even grown to appreciate,

[0:16:00] Lois: I love that weight. Should we snort for brie to make her feel even better. Okay, I’ve snorted before, so who knows, it may just happen anyway,

[0:16:11] Emily: right, okay, this is our last one from lindy,

[0:16:15] Lois: I was always made to feel, oh you’re too sensitive, that’s just, I mean I hate that phrase, you’re too sensitive as I’ve gotten so much older, I’ve learned, I’m what’s described now as a highly sensitive person and I’ve actually learned that it’s a great thing that God made me this way. I feel things more deeply. I care extremely deeply about people, I can cry at the drop of a hat with somebody. I’m very deeply empathetic with people. I’m now acutely aware that it’s a gift that God gave me that I can connect with people in their pain and I can pray with them over that and it’s been actually a really awesome gift. I still don’t like the word you’re so sensitive, but at the same time I’ve really come to appreciate it and I do thank God for it now, I like that, I like that, you know, I think that’s a part of being your true self because I couldn’t remember when I was younger, there were parts of me that I tried to mute, so to speak and I tried to mute them because I felt like um that part of me shouldn’t show or shouldn’t be, you know, but I love that and I’m so excited, we had so many um and I love that people just kind of opened up and were transparent and shared and some of them were light and fun and some of them are pretty heavy, so um thanks guys for sharing with us things that you are thankful for the way that God made you. I love that. So thank you.

[0:18:09] Emily: Absolutely beautiful. So today we are going to talk about the samaritan woman and kind of unpack the story as we see jesus interact with her and meet her in her pain and meet her in her Brokenness. Uh I think there have been some negative narratives that have been built around her that, you know, that just focus on um how awful she was. Instead of that, jesus met her there, because we can all see ourselves in this as we’ve all been the samaritan woman, or maybe we are, maybe we need jesus to enter our story and our pain right where we’re at this week and this month. So Lois is going to start by reading some of this worry to us,

[0:19:07] Lois: you know, most of us if not all of us have heard the story of the woman at the Well, and if you’re a guy listening before you shut off this episode, can I just tell you that um this isn’t just about a woman and a woman at the well that um had five husbands and the man that she was living with now was not her husband and it’s about her being promiscuous and all that, there is truth for all of us because as you mentioned Emily and as it has become clear to me, as I’ve studied more and more about this and red other people’s commentaries at some point, honestly we have all been or we all are the woman at the well, the circumstances may be different, the life experiences may be different, but we’ve all been the woman at the well in need of a savior. So as we step into this, I really like for you guys too to take that to heart into, I realize that this is applicable for all of us. So in John Chapter four, just in case you’re not familiar with the story. Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was making and baptizing more disciples than john, although Jesus himself was not baptizing but only his disciples, he left judea and departed again for galilee and he had to pass through Samaria. So he came to a town of samaria called psych are near the field that Jacob had given to his son joseph Jacob’s well was there. So jesus wearied as he was from his journey was sitting beside the well and it was about the sixth hour And about the 6th hour as you know, is noontime. Um and I want to go back to that verse that says Jesus had to pass through samaria and if you know anything about the history and the culture at that time, um nobody had to pass through samaria. In fact the jews culturally always, I mean it would have been you know straight a straight um travel in a straight path. But the jews always went around, always went around because the Samaritans were considered less than they were a mixed breed of race, you know, according to that culture. And so I just want to luke doesn’t tell us this specifically, but we know just culturally and historically at the time Jesus didn’t have to go through samaria, he was jewish, she was from Nazareth. Um the disciples and Jesus went and jesus went to that town to that well purposefully where I think the application there is Jesus pursues us, he pursues us whether we have the circumstances of the woman at the well or our circumstances are different. So Jesus didn’t have to come for us, but he chose to come for us, right.

[0:23:04] Emily: And then in verse seven I can pick up breeding um a woman of samaria came to draw water, give me drink, jesus said to her because his disciples had gone into town to buy food. How is it that you, a jew asked for a drink from me? A samaritan woman, She asked him for jews, do not associate with Samaritans, Jesus answered if you knew the gift of God and who is saying to you give me a drink, you would ask him and he would give you living water sir said the woman, you don’t even have a bucket and the well is deep. So where do you get this living water? You aren’t greater than our father Jacob are you? He gave us the well and drank from it himself as did his sons in livestock, jesus said everyone who drinks from this water will get thirsty again, but whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty again. In fact the water I give him will become a well of water springing up in him for eternal life. Yeah

[0:24:14] Lois: mm And then the woman said to him give me this water so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water. So there’s a part of it that she’s still not quite getting but if you go back to that part where it says if you knew basically who gives the water and and then he says it’s a gift and the gift is eternal life. And I heard recently someone say our eternal life doesn’t start once we’ve passed away and we go to heaven. If we’re christian, the minute that we start that relationship with jesus, our eternal life starts there are eternal of spiritual life starts there even though the body may decay and pass away. So living life abundantly he said a well spring a welling up eternal life a spring of water that doesn’t start later. It starts when our relationship with jesus starts

[0:25:27] Emily: Mhm. I think that’s really important to note because a lot of times when we hear repeat after me type prayers, it’s all about eternity and it lacks like what am I taking up our cross daily, It lacks discipleship, it lacks following jesus now, it lacks um like you said the abundant eternal life that’s springing up inside of us right now, that changes how we see life, it changes how we go about life having the the well of life living inside of us. Right.

[0:26:05] Lois: And I know that you probably have heard this passage preached growing up as did I and tell me what the focus was with the woman at the well of what the narrative that you heard a lot growing up.

[0:26:22] Emily: Yeah, the night it was the next few verses here where Jesus um calls her, calls her sin out and he does, he does really call her out where she’s at, but it was in a condemning way, like he was trying to poke the pain a little

[0:26:40] Lois: bit like

[0:26:41] Emily: jabbing

[0:26:43] Lois: mhm.

[0:26:44] Emily: No, it was in a I C. U. Way. See that’s that’s the narrative that untwist here because yes, jesus is going to be honest with her, it’s not just here, let me give you eternal life or give you water and she’s like okay I guess I’m on my merry way and I’ll never be thirsty again and I’ll have to come to this well because it’s embarrassing because you know all the you know there’s a reason she was there at noon in the heat of the day to avoid other people and he’s like hold up in order for her to understand that it was more than just convenience to you know to have this water that she would never have to be thirsty again. He has to confront the road blocks the shame and the hurt in her her life.

[0:27:40] Lois: Uh Yeah but it and I guess I did ask you the narrative that you heard. So then when you said condemning, you know it was he said it in a condemning way my brain immediately went to but no he didn’t and I was like yeah yeah I I just asked her to share with me how she heard it growing up. Yeah. So um yeah jesus said go go call your husband and come here the woman answered I have no husband. And jesus said to her you’re right in saying I have no husband for you have had five husbands and the one you now have is not your husband. But you know what you have said is true. The woman said to him sir, I perceive that you’re a prophet. Our fathers worshipped on this mountain. But you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship and jesus said to her woman and again I’ve heard this used incorrectly woman you know and you said what you said was right like you, you don’t even have the guy you’re living with right now is not even your husband and you’ve had five husbands. That is not how he was approaching this. And the word woman is actually an affectionate term as we have found culture at that time, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem, will you worship the father? You worship what you do not know, We worship what we know for salvation is from the jews, but the hour is coming and it’s now here when the true worshippers will worship the father in spirit and truth for the father is seeking such people to worship him. And so I think at this point, you know the conversation turns he doesn’t stay on the condemning. He really wasn’t condemning. Yes, he called out her sin, but he said he, I think he was trying to reveal to her who he was and um, but he gave her a way out. You know, he gave her a way out as far as realizing who he was. And so this is the part where I think like it doesn’t matter male or female. Like I said earlier, we all, we’ve all been the woman at the, well no matter what the circumstances are because we’ve all been in darkness and we have all needed a savior and we’ve needed the savior. And she came, she came face to face with him because he chose to go there and to meet her there, it was purposeful. It was predetermined that this was what he was going to do. And everywhere everywhere that jesus went, the father sent him because this is the person he needed to minister to,

[0:30:52] Emily: right, which is beautiful, that he met her where she was. And then um how I like this, this sideline that you kind of uh it feels like a sideline in the passage at verse 20 where she’s um our father said to worship in this mountain, Your mountain, who are you? I’m a samaritan, you’re do what’s going on? Why are you here? And so the minute she is confronted with someone mentioning her sin, she’s like, oh, religion like, oh, a denomination.

[0:31:32] Lois: Oh, you’re a prophet.

[0:31:34] Emily: Yeah. Oh I see. But but which mountain were we supposed to worship in? And then it’s him guiding her back to like what the point is, The point isn’t what mountain we worshiping. The point isn’t like never being thirsty physically. Again, the point is so much richer and deeper and that’s what he’s, he’s using these examples and the things that she brings to his attention as like almost like a sideline. And he’s like, no, no, no, that’s not what we’re talking about here, I’m talking about. Yeah, let’s bring it

[0:32:08] Lois: back around again. Yeah. And then as we know the disciples um after he reveals who he is to her, the disciples show back up and you know, he says, I who speak to um he, because she talks about the messiah’s coming and he’s like I’m here, mhm and when the disciples came back uh they marveled that he was talking with a woman, but no one said, what do you seek and why are you talking with her? But they thought about it, they thought about it. So even jesus disciples were like, dude, what, why is he talking with her? Like in their mind they’re going uh you know, we don’t, you know, we don’t hang out with these people, right? And um but they didn’t say it out loud,

[0:33:18] Emily: right? I think that points more to her confusion to like who are you, why are you talking to me? Okay, you’re a profit. Like if the disciples were were confused, why he was talking to her um and I don’t want to go to look too far into it, but culturally when we see that she was married five times and she, you know, she didn’t have the husband that she was with wasn’t her own, like that was a big deal being recognized, she probably only had status being a uh huh her identity and her status was attached to who she was married to, so she wasn’t married and she was a widow or she was divorced

[0:34:10] Lois: right away at all, like if somebody wasn’t married that was like looked upon,

[0:34:20] Emily: right? So uh jesus talking to a woman by herself, the disciples were like, wait, what, this is not acceptable. And jesus was flipping this cultural thing on its head, saying, no, I’m going to associate with a samaritan, I’m going to associate with a woman, I’m going to associate with a used and discarded a woman who has been made to feel less than, and Jesus met her there and even the disciples had to learn that in that moment, that this was different.

[0:34:53] Lois: Yeah. And and the other gospels as well, like john is the only one who writes this specific story, but in the other gospels, like in luke, we hear the story of the samaritan who was beat up and left. I mean that the, the traveler who was beat up and left and a religious leader goes by, another important person goes by, but it was a samaritan that stopped and took care of him and I do feel like these stories tie together. Uh, I don’t think that there’s any discrepancy because oh john talks about the samaritan woman, but the other gospels don’t or luke talks about, you know, um, the samaritan being the good neighbor and you know, it’s even, um, I can’t remember which gospel it is, but even one of the writers says, you know, why, you know, there’s not a reason for me to basically write everything, there are other accounts, you know, and, and john says, if I were to write everything, you know, then there’s not enough to contain? I mean there’s I’m not I’m not working that right word. It right for me Emily, you know what I

[0:36:17] Emily: mean? Yes, he says uh that not even the world can contain could contain the scrolls that should be written at the end of Chapter 20 I think. Right?

[0:36:33] Lois: So then we go down to um the verse where she left her water jar. She went away into the town and in the english standard version it says and said to the people, what does your um CSB say in first 28, right before verse 29. And mine says, and she said to the people,

[0:37:08] Emily: it says and told the people,

[0:37:10] Lois: okay, okay, let’s I just want to stop here a second,

[0:37:15] Emily: okay.

[0:37:15] Lois: She tells, she goes back into town and she tells the people and I’m gonna I’m gonna close later on with with just a paragraph that I wrote about this. But she came to the well at the hottest part of the day at noon. So she could come to the well by herself. And we are assuming culturally that she came to the well by herself, so she wouldn’t have to be around the other women because she knew she wasn’t accepted. And and and yet this woman who comes face to face with jesus turns around and goes back into the town that she tries to hide from and she says to the people come see a man who told me all that I ever did, can this be the christ, They went out of the town and we’re coming to him, can this be the christ? And this is why I said earlier, the story of the woman at the well isn’t just about women, it is, I do believe that jesus culturally it is a part of that. He culturally turned things on their ears and and through that encounter with her, he gave back to this woman, her dignity gave back to her her freedom and gave her her purpose. She took her purpose and turned around and went into the town fearlessly and said come come, you know and it just and I love that because it’s like anybody is welcome at the well, anybody is welcome at the well and jesus is there waiting to have that encounter with you, He’s gone out of his way, he’s chosen you and he’s waiting to give you the living water right?

[0:39:20] Emily: And it kind of ties into two christ saw through her and he saw through you know, the whatever facade was there, whatever Brokenness was there, uh whatever she was trying to, you know when you have, you’ve had a rough day or you’ve had a rough season you put on your, you still put on your best face, but maybe there’s still tiredness in your eyes, but not always do people inquire and see you, they just see the smile and you’re like, oh I wish, I wish somebody could notice that that was a tear. I just wiped away or like could somebody see? And she says he told me everything I’ve ever done, Like he saw me, he saw through whatever front I was putting up to protect myself and she goes could this could this be the messiah who saw me?

[0:40:20] Lois: Right? But see the fact that just that she and I love the fact that you brought that, that he saw her because it goes back to the narrative that we heard that some people heard growing up that um you know, jesus called out her sin and if if she felt condemned by him instead of a healthy conviction with with a way of escape. Um if she felt condemned by him, she would not have gone back into town and said anything to anybody and I know I’m speculating, but when we feel condemned, we shut down, we feel shame. We we cover we walk away and that is not what she did,

[0:41:07] Emily: right? And that’s not what we should be doing to other people. So we can we should condemn them. And what is interesting when you said that about jesus not condemning her, that was that what she usually got like it would not have stood out to her, if he would have been condemning because that was that was par

[0:41:28] Lois: for the course. Yeah

[0:41:31] Emily: mm,

[0:41:33] Lois: it’s so good. She was chosen. She was chosen and I heard a speaker recently say like what are we holding? You know she it took her, it took her a hot minute to figure out that he is saying I’m I’m he you know she didn’t recognize jesus, she didn’t recognize the messiah, he pretty much had to spell it out for her, she’s still back here trying to figure out um this is Jacob’s well and I’m pretty sure you know he was the top of the food chain so this work, how am I going to not thirst again? She didn’t recognize who jesus was right and then he had to just really spell it out, she’s like well we’ve heard about the messiah and he says hey it’s me, it’s me and in that moment where she comes face to face with jesus and she realizes who he is, her life is changed and when you come face to face with jesus, when we have an encounter with christ and for those of you listening that it may not be familiar and maybe I’m using a christian is term when I say face to face with jesus because we can’t physically come face to face with him until eternity but um what we have an encounter with christ, we can’t stay the same so it blows my mind for people to claim Christianity, whether they’re on staff at a church or they attend church or whatever to claim Christianity to claim to have had a face to face counter encounter with christ. But their heart for others hasn’t changed. Mhm. They’re still condemning and judgmental. It doesn’t mean that we don’t ever call each other out for things that need health, but scripture doesn’t say go speak the truth, scripture says speak the truth in love,

[0:43:58] Emily: right? Yeah. I think a lot of us I think that when we speak the truth were actually speaking, we’re loving people and that’s not what the verse said. So like you said, speaking, the truth in love is what’s merciful and kind a question you posed. We’ve talked about doing an episode on the samaritan woman since The beginning, you know, since episode probably one.

[0:44:29] Lois: Uh but the question right?

[0:44:32] Emily: Uh and the question you posed, and maybe this will still come up as a full episode around um being Pharisees and feeling better than others. But the question you said was would you have stopped for the woman at the well and when you ask that question, of course the first response in me is uh huh. Yeah, of course I would have stopped for the woman at the well and then you wait a second. Okay, let me be realistic about you know me and how I want others to perceive me or whatever is going through your head. Um man do I really want to be known with the woman at the well what I really stop and sit in her her pain and in her shame and love her. Well like that. So, do you want to elaborate on that,

[0:45:26] Lois: that’s a huge question that we wrote down months ago to at some point discussed because of course we’d all like to say, well, yes, absolutely. I would have stopped for the woman at the well. Mhm. Or I would have purposefully gone out of my way to meet the woman at the well, but I think the majority, the majority of Christianity as we’ve seen in the american church. If we put everything together and we do the programs and we do the surveys for the numbers and we, you know, knock on every door one door at a time. And if we can just get them inside the four walls, then they’ll hear the gospel and Mhm. Um jesus did none of that. He went to the people. Um yeah, I think that’s something I that I think it’s going to end up being a whole episode because it kind of takes us down a different path. But um I think that’s a question. Would you have stopped for the woman at the well, she was a samaritan. You go back to the story of the samaritan. The samaritan is the one who stopped for the wounded, right? But the people who should have stopped, didn’t. So I don’t think we can very quickly answer. I think it’s something that we, on a daily basis, it’s dying to self and and thinking of loving others. Well

[0:47:11] Emily: if it doesn’t side sidetracked is too too far. I will give an example of something that happened to me right around the time when you had mentioned this as a topic and I found myself at the self checkout area at our grocery store and there was a guy at the next one over and he was like oh hey how’s it going? And I was like I don’t know how to respond mm Because this guy was part of a murder investigation in our tiny little town and inside I was like I don’t know if I want people to know that I like I said hi to him right? And it was it was completely safe. It’s not like it was the parking lot even I mean it was wide open. I mean it was rush hour and I knew him from when I worked

[0:48:06] Lois: at shower in Dillon.

[0:48:07] Emily: Okay hold on. I didn’t mean to say rush hour but like dinner out where you know like 5:00 at the grocery

[0:48:14] Lois: store trying

[0:48:19] Emily: to have a serious moment over

[0:48:21] Lois: here. All right, I’ll behave.

[0:48:24] Emily: So anyway I knew him from working at the bank. Uh And so it would have been totally natural to say oh hey how are you doing and just be happy and chipper and respond to him kindly. And it was I was just struck by my pride and my own self image. I don’t know what I was trying to portray or if anyone else I knew would have been around or cared that I knew him, but acknowledging him probably matter. I mean, I know it matters more than what other people would have thought because there’s no reason for me to snub someone in a perfectly safe environment.

[0:49:12] Lois: So how did you respond?

[0:49:15] Emily: I actually don’t remember, I don’t remember if I said hey or probably I don’t think

[0:49:22] Lois: that, I don’t think that sidetracks us. I think that takes us to who jesus was, who jesus is. He always went out of his way to the marginalized, you know, he was on his way um because chronologically, I believe if I’m correct a little bit further in the storyline of jesus ministry towards towards the end, then he goes to Zacarias, I mean, we could name person after person. You start with Mary Magdalene, um Matthew, you know, and and now we’re talking about this samaritan woman. And so I think that’s a great question that we can talk about it another time, would we have stopped for the woman at the well, but I think just if you look if we go on down two verse 39 many Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony. That blows my mind. This is a woman who’s had a horrible reputation, horrible reputation been shunned in her own town culturally. You know, we, we know these things are most likely true and many Samaritans from that town believed in christ because of her testimony because she testified. So when the Samaritans came to him, they asked him to stay with him and he stayed there two days and many more believed because of his word, they said to the woman, it is no longer because of what you said that we believe for now. We have heard for ourselves and we know that this is indeed the savior of the world. Mhm. Now some people will get their pride hurt by that, you know, because they think, well I’m the one who shared the gospel and I have to be the one that sos and waters it and reaps, you know because but anyway, I don’t even know where, why I went there, but that’s what popped into my head. But she, you know, they said um scripture tells us that many believed because of her testimony. That’s that’s huge. That’s huge. That um this woman that was hiding from everybody would right. Um so this is something that I heard a speaker say, we have to make room for people that are in the process, Not every person that we sit under their teaching needs to be on the other side of their healing of a situation. We have to make room for people that are in the process and this woman left the well and she went back to her town and she testified

[0:52:57] Emily: that’s good

[0:52:58] Lois: and room was made come see him because he’s told me everything that I’ve done, could this be the christ? And they could have said, we’re not listening to you, we’re not gonna listen to you like girlfriend, everybody knows your reputation. Why would we believe anything that you said?

[0:53:21] Emily: Mm I love that. That’s when you, when you started off that I was like, is that in context? But it like blew my mind. Absolutely. It is. And she wasn’t pointing to herself because she was still in process. She’s bringing people and pointing them to jesus and mm we can make space to even learn from people who yeah, who

[0:53:46] Lois: are who are in process. So I want to share. I did go to a conference at my church this past week and it’s an annual conference for women and it was just the timing was just unbelievable because we’ve already talked about doing an episode about the woman at the well and that the theme this past weekend at the conference where I attended was at the well mm hmm. And when we’re at the well and we and and one of the speakers even said, we’re holding this cup of whatever it is. You know, you put yourself in a place where it’s like I said before whether it’s a man or a woman or a young adult or you know, we all have a cup of something that identifies us and jesus is sitting here with this flowing fountain of living water that he wants to give us. And all he’s doing is asking us to trust him and give him the cup of whatever we’re hanging on to so that he can give us that flowing fountain of living water.

[0:55:08] Emily: Yes, stood out to me. Oh sorry, I should let you know that you can read. But as I was reading that this morning, it’s it stood out to me that jesus asked her to give him a drink and and she’s like give you a drink and it reminds me of moses because I was in exodus with the bible reading my girls and I are doing and it reminds me of moses because moses is like me. No, don’t send me. And he asked her and I know it was kind of just a way to engage conversation with her. But still he was asking her and if she can give up that he has so much more abundant plan for her. Yeah.

[0:55:54] Lois: I’d like to read this reflection that I wrote after thinking about the story of the woman at the well um yeah and all we we don’t know her name. We just know her as the samaritan woman or as the woman at the well. And I think I mentioned to you this to you in conversation that you know, I don’t know why we don’t know her name, right? But just like there are times where scholars have said, we don’t know what paul’s thorn in the flesh was and maybe we purposefully have not been given that information so that we can’t tag and say oh that was his infirmity, that was his thorn in the flesh. Well that doesn’t affect me. What You know, Paul literally said, I asked God three times to remove it and he said no but if it wasn’t for that I would I would become prideful. So just just like that. I don’t know if I’m if I’m making the connection but just like that we don’t know the samaritan woman’s name because I don’t know maybe if we knew her name it would be easy to just think of it as a story and pinpoint that that was just for that person. But the story the woman at the Well is for all of us it is a truth for all of us. But here’s here’s a little something that I wrote in my reflection on the story of the woman at the Well when we have our at the Well moment and jesus meets us there when he changes our life or transforms something in us. It is truly amazing when that well moment happens. We don’t want to leave, we just want to stay, you want to stay at the well with jesus and just stay in the moment but the woman at the well she didn’t stay there mm, she could have stayed, she could have kept it to herself and just soaked in the moment but she didn’t she left the comfort of the well she stepped back into an environment that was uncomfortable where she had a reputation. Why would she do that? Why would anyone listen to her? Why would she risk exposure to those around her? Uh huh jesus mm that’s why so she went away, this woman who purposefully came to the well alone so that she wouldn’t be seen by the other women left and intentionally brought others back to the well let’s be that let’s do yes.

[0:58:51] Emily: Mhm. Absolutely. Yeah thank you for hanging out with us friends. Uh we’re are thankful for this opportunity to look at another woman in the bible and see how jesus treated her and the invitation that he offers to us to see us and to know us and to yes call out our sin and not let us stay the same and invite us into more abundant life with him right now. We’re not waiting for heaven. It is available right now and that’s not an end to itself. It is also that we can go even in our messiness in are not have it figured all out yet this and help other people um and be like to jesus you don’t have to have it figured out but maybe it’s maybe it’s your family that you’re trying to point towards Grace or other people um to jesus

[1:00:01] Lois: that’s good and I that song that I recently sent to you by the country singer Olivia Lane. Um And the choruses and sometimes I feel just like the woman at the, well yeah and she talks about um you know the fact that he loves her and caesar? It might sound crazy but that’s really why his Grace is so amazing.

[1:00:40] Emily: Yeah that’s a beautiful line. That’s incredible. Yeah.

[1:00:46] Lois: Thanks guys. It’s been a good it’s been a good night.

[1:00:52] Emily: Mhm. We’ll see you next time. All

[1:00:56] Lois: right bye.